vuoti e pieni

English translation: omissions and inclusions

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Italian term or phrase:vuoti e pieni
English translation:omissions and inclusions
Entered by: Lisa Jane

17:57 Jun 21, 2020
Italian to English translations [PRO]
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Italian term or phrase: vuoti e pieni
La storia deve essere letta attraverso i suoi “vuoti” oltre che attraverso i suoi “pieni” (semi-quote from Virginia Woolf's diaries.
The terms refer to the fact that some elements are present and others are missing in traditional historiography (women, in this specific case). Therefore, history should be interpreted by considering both the elements that are included and those that are left out.

Thanks a lot for your help!
Giovanna Pistillo
Local time: 15:37
omissions and inclusions
Explanation:
so history should be judged on the basis of who has been left out/omitted as well as on who has been included in it.

Naturally, if these terms are taken from exact quotes you should look for the published book and use that as your reference.

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https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/omission

the act of not including something or someone that should have been included, or something or someone that has not been included that should have been:
Measures to control child employment are a glaring (= very obvious) omission from new legislation to protect children.
There are some serious errors and omissions in the book.
The fans believed that the omission of Heacock from the team was a serious mistake

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Lisa Jane
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4 +2omissions and inclusions
Lisa Jane
3 +1voids and solids
Tom in London
3should be interpreted on the basis of its gaps/lacunae, rather than through its roundedness
Barbara Cochran, MFA
3between lines and full letter
Juan Arturo Blackmore Zerón


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voids and solids


Explanation:
"voids and solids" is commonly used to describe architectural objects but it might fit the bill here

Tom in London
United Kingdom
Local time: 14:37
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  MARIANA CAMISASCA: It could be also "empty and full spaces". https://context.reverso.net/translation/italian-english/vuot...
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should be interpreted on the basis of its gaps/lacunae, rather than through its roundedness


Explanation:
Another possibility.

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Or "rather on the basis of its completeness".

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Or "rather than offer a totally complete picture".

Barbara Cochran, MFA
United States
Local time: 10:37
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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neutral  philgoddard: "Oltre che" doesn't mean "rather than".
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between lines and full letter


Explanation:
It must be read sometimes between the lines and sometimes to full letter.

Juan Arturo Blackmore Zerón
Mexico
Local time: 09:37
Native speaker of: Spanish
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12 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
omissions and inclusions


Explanation:
so history should be judged on the basis of who has been left out/omitted as well as on who has been included in it.

Naturally, if these terms are taken from exact quotes you should look for the published book and use that as your reference.

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Note added at 12 hrs (2020-06-22 06:06:15 GMT)
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https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/omission

the act of not including something or someone that should have been included, or something or someone that has not been included that should have been:
Measures to control child employment are a glaring (= very obvious) omission from new legislation to protect children.
There are some serious errors and omissions in the book.
The fans believed that the omission of Heacock from the team was a serious mistake



Lisa Jane
Italy
Local time: 15:37
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in ItalianItalian
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agree  philgoddard: I don't think this is a quote from Woolf, just the writer using quote marks unnecessarily. https://www.900letterario.it/opere-900/una-stanza-tutta-per-... You could also say presences and absences.
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  -> Yes, I think you're right

agree  Fiona Grace Peterson
9 hrs
  -> Thanks Fiona Grace!
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