"Bottari"

English translation: barrel loaders

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Italian term or phrase:	bottari
English translation:	barrel loaders
Entered by:	Vanessa Di Stefano

15:13 Apr 15, 2014

Italian to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Fisheries / Tuna fishing in Sicily

Italian term or phrase: "Bottari"

Here is the word in context:

"E tra le parti più pregiate del tonno ci sono state sempre le uova, manipolate 'dalli bottari e marinari'."

The article is about tuna fishing in Sicily: how it used to be done, how it is done now, how long it has been going on etc, though it is not a long article, so there is not a great deal of detail.

The word in question is, I believe, a Sicilian word, or at the very least an old Italian word. I have found "buttaru", which is quite similar (especially as the Sicilian interchange their 'o's and 'u's, depending on how strict the dialect is) and means "bottaio" in Italian, but that is obviously not relevant here.

I strongly suspect it has a lot to do with the term "bottarga" which are tuna fish eggs, and I can certainly make a guess as to what "bottari" means, and come up with an equivalent term, but I would like to find the exact translation if possible. SO any help would be very gratefully received!

It is for a cultural magazine about Sicily.

Vanessa Di Stefano KudoZ activity Questions: 3 (none open) Answers: 2 United Kingdom
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barrel loaders

Explanation:
One should think about the word "botte" (barrels) that are usually lined up on board. the "bottari" are those who load the fish into these barrels.
They are not the "bottai" who build barrels.
Source is my wife (born in Sicily).

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Note added at 1 hr (2014-04-15 17:10:42 GMT)
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Well, you got to take the eggs out right there on board, otherwise they go bad. The eggs then go into the barrels...

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ChananZass
Italy
Local time: 09:27

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barrel loaders

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Vanessa Di Stefano

United Kingdom

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Bottari as per ChananZass's answer...

18:31 Apr 15, 2014

Just in case anyone is interested, I've just had confirmation from my father-in-law (also Sicilian) who gave the same answer as ChananZass, ie that the bottari are those that load the fish (eggs) into the barrel, and then also process them later (salting and drying). Good :) ! Mystery resolved. Thank you very much to everyone for all your help :) !

Vanessa Di Stefano

United Kingdom

ASKER

@Marianna

18:25 Apr 15, 2014

Ah, grazie Marianna...non ero sicuro ce volevi utilizzare il tuo nome pubblicamente :) . Si, forse qualcosa come ha detto ChananZass, o qualcosa ancora più generico...

Marianna Aita

Italy

17:42 Apr 15, 2014

Sì, per questo ti ho detto che non ero sicura c'entrasse...forse la soluzione sta in quanto proposto da ChananZass:) PS: chiamami Marianna, aitam nunsepossentì:)

Vanessa Di Stefano

United Kingdom

ASKER

@aitam

16:53 Apr 15, 2014

Ciao di nuovo :) ! Grazie tanto per questo documento, che potrebbe essere molto utile anche nel futuro! L'unica cosa che mi frena ad utilizzare la parola "bottaio" è che non è una categoria di lavoratore così importante, quindi perché selezionare quello in particolare? Ora ci penso un'altro po' :) ! Grazie comunque, specialmente per il documento :) !

Marianna Aita

Italy

16:38 Apr 15, 2014

Ciao Vanessa, magari non c'entra nulla, ma volevo segnalarti questo documento http://www.storiamediterranea.it/wp-content/uploads/mediterr...
A pag 152 viene spiegato come il cuore delle tonnare fosse la loggia, a cui afferivano molte categorie di lavoratori, impiegati (anche non direttamente) nella lavorazione del pesce. Tra questi vengono citati i bottai, o bottari, ossia i lavoratori adibiti alla costruzione dei barili per la conservazione del pesce.

Vanessa Di Stefano

United Kingdom

ASKER

@philgoddard

15:43 Apr 15, 2014

Hi Phil :) ! Thanks for your compliments about my question - I believe very strongly in only coming here as a last resort, otherwise how will I ever learn anything :) ?

I see it exactly as you've described it, that the "bottari" are the people who process the roe, I just can't expand the target text too much to incorporate a (lengthy?) description, so I was hoping someone out there would know the actual English equivalent term.

philgoddard

United States

15:34 Apr 15, 2014

It does look like it's cognate with "bottarga". If that's the case, couldn't the "marinari" be the people who catch the fish, and the "bottari" the people who process the roe?
Congratulations on a good question, by the way. You've clearly researched it thoroughly rather than leaving the job to us :-)

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barrel loaders

ChananZass
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Local time: 09:27
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Thanks very much for your suggestion, it really helped :) !

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Asker: Thanks very much for this ChananZass! Would you mind asking your wife if these same people then "work" or "manipulate" the fish eggs, as it says in the extract I have given? Thank you :) !

Asker: Thanks ChananZass...I was wondering more about the process that comes after that, ie the salting and drying of the eggs to make the bottarga as we know and love it in the shops. I think I might use the Sicilian term and then put a short general explanation in brackets, such as "those who process the roe"... Thanks again!

Asker: Thank you very much ChananZass, for helping to resolve this problem :) !

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