angenehmen Wissenschaften

English translation: genteel sciences

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German term or phrase:	angenehmen Wissenschaften
English translation:	genteel sciences
Entered by:	franglish

14:40 Feb 19, 2016

German to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Poetry & Literature / Poem

German term or phrase: angenehmen Wissenschaften

wir finden in dieser Schrift in gebundener und ungebundener Schreibart wohlgewahlte und ausgearbeitete Aussage, welche wir den Freunden der Religion, der Sitten, und der angenehmen Wissenschaften sicher anpreisen dürfen.

This is a poem from 1773, so I am assuming it is an old-fashioned term. Does it really mean angenehm, as in pleasant? Or should it be angenommen?

Thanks for the help!

Kaportnoy KudoZ activity Questions: 62 (1 open) (3 closed without grading) Answers: 0
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genteel sciences

Explanation:
See discussion entry.
... which we could certainly recommend to the friends of religion, manners and the genteel sciences.

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correction: OF manners and...

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franglish
Switzerland
Local time: 15:58

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Summary of answers provided

3 +3

gentle sciences

Ramey Rieger (X)

4 +2

pleasant sciences

Ellen Kraus

3 +2

genteel sciences

franglish

soft sciences

barbarameyer

Discussion entries: 12

Ellen Kraus

Austria

11:06 Feb 21, 2016

@Anne, danke für den amüsanten nachträglichen link von der uni Bielefeld zu den "angenehmen" Wissenschaften; ihn aufzustöbern, muss nicht leicht gewesen sein.

franglish

Switzerland

@ Kaportnoy

22:16 Feb 19, 2016

When posting a querry, do with a in max. of 10 words in the field 'term or phrase', an post the whole context in the field reserved for explanations. Thus you avoid having your question removed by a moderator.
The text-s is/are interesting, who is the author? I wish you success, and a good night.

Kaportnoy

ASKER

20:31 Feb 19, 2016

Thank you @Thomas Pfann! That makes sense

Thomas Pfann

United Kingdom

Wer ließ euch mir zur Marter los?

19:36 Feb 19, 2016

He's addressing „Staub“, „Asche“ and „folternde Gedanken“ here and asks them: "Who on earth released you [euch] so that you could torment me?" (or "who put you on to me?").

Or something along those lines.

Kaportnoy

ASKER

19:06 Feb 19, 2016

I do have one more question relating to this same poem..

Staub--Asche--folternde Gedanken!
Wer ließ euch mir zur Marter los?

How in the world does the euch make sense in there? I can't figure out the grammar at all.

Kaportnoy

ASKER

19:04 Feb 19, 2016

Thanks everyone!

franglish

Switzerland

My dear Ramey,

16:59 Feb 19, 2016

how could I refuse when so kindly asked?

Ramey Rieger (X)

Germany

Oh Franglish!

16:35 Feb 19, 2016

Very nice! That may be what is haunting me. Do post it as a suggestion.

franglish

Switzerland

genteel sciences?

16:29 Feb 19, 2016

https://www.archive.org/stream/.../studiesinhistory02colu_dj...

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18). On this basis Thrasymachus praises the practice of injustice. The sophist was a ...... In the seventeenth century, then, for both Epicurean and conceptualist ...... "antiquities, literary criticism, the so-called fine and genteel sciences, poetry, ...

philgoddard

United States

15:19 Feb 19, 2016

The implication seems to be more that they're of less practical use. I found heraldry as one example. And science means a field of knowledge, rather than its narrower meaning today.

Julia Burgess

United Kingdom

natural sciences

15:11 Feb 19, 2016

I would suggest that the term probably refers to natural sciences (the term 'biology' only really being used from the end of the 18th century), i.e. the study of the natural world, as opposed to (human) medicine, and not including physics.

Ramey Rieger (X)

Germany

Hufnagel?

15:01 Feb 19, 2016

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Siegfried_Hufnagel

In the back of my mind, there lives a dusty, misused spirit called the 'gentle sciences'

Answers

21 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +3

gentle sciences

Explanation:
I wish I could pinpoint its origin, but I can't recall where I heard, read or wrote it.
But Google seems to recognize it in a myriad of applications.

Ramey Rieger (X)
Germany
Local time: 15:58
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 77

23 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

pleasant sciences

Explanation:
mein link ist fast so alt wie dein Text
PDF]13. Декубитус. Профилактика и лечение на декубитални ...

link

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Neue Bibliothek der schönen Wissenschaften und der freyen ...
https://books.google.at/books?id=fYdKAAAAcAAJ
1781
Die Ein« theilung in ernste und angenehme , nützliche und angenehme Wissenschaften, ist nicht philosophisch; Venn sie gründet sich auf einen zufälligen

Ellen Kraus
Austria
Local time: 15:58
Native speaker of:

German

2 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

genteel sciences

franglish
Switzerland
Local time: 15:58
Native speaker of:

German
PRO pts in category: 28

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

agree

philgoddard: Yes, I think this is better than "gentle" in some ways, the implication being that you don't get your hands dirty. And it has a touch of humour.

45 mins

-> Thanks, Phil. Those who did dirty their hands certainly didn't have the time for such pursuits!

neutral

Lancashireman: Not an improvement on 'gentle'. Different slant on the meaning.

19 hrs

-> Just an alternative take, nothing to do with one-upmanship. Cheers!

agree

Ramey Rieger (X): Nice alternative, even when his Lordship is correct that it is a different slant.// Warm? A bit. Sunny? What's that?

1 day 15 hrs

-> Thanks, Ramey! It's the association of it to religion and manners in the sentence that took me to genteel. Enjoy the warm and sunny Sunday! //A cloudless sky and 15°. Even got a tan on my balcony in the late afternoon ( slurp strech yawn...)//Yawn streTch

1 day 3 hrs confidence:

angenehme Wissenschaften soft sciences

Explanation:
Hard science and soft science are colloquial terms used to compare scientific fields on the basis of perceived methodological rigor, exactitude, and objectivity. Roughly speaking, the natural sciences are considered "hard", whereas the social sciences are usually described as "soft".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_and_soft_science

The soft sciences include: economics, psychology, sociology, anthropology, history, political science, psychology, all generally labeled as the "social sciences" or humanities.
http://www.eoht.info/page/Hard science

How Hard Is Hard Science, How Soft Is Soft Science?
http://www.cs.northwestern.edu/~paritosh/papers/others/Hedge...

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soft sciences (today) = social sciences = moral philosophies (eighteenth century)

In the eighteenth century, social science was called "moral philosophy," as contrasted with natural philosophy (the precursor of natural sciences) and mathematics. It included the study of natural theology, natural ethics, natural jurisprudence, and economics and finance.
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Social_sciences

barbarameyer
Native speaker of:

German,

English

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