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KonzNr.

English translation: Corporate /Group/ no.

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German term or phrase:KonzNr.
English translation:Corporate /Group/ no.
Entered by: Adrian MM.

12:31 Jul 24, 2020
German to English translations [PRO]
Bus/Financial - Law: Taxation & Customs
German term or phrase: KonzNr.
Strafrechtlicher Ermittlungsbericht
Zusammenhängende Verfahren; Finanzamt München beilung Betribsprüfung
KonzNr. NNNNNN

KonzilNr. oder KonzernNr.

All help appreciated
Thanks in advance
John O'Brien
Local time: 11:43
Corporate Group no.
Explanation:
Concern is, as per Huber's translation prmers, a false friend with das Konzern that means a group of companies or, as a journalistic preference, a conglomerate of companies or combine as a combination of companies - and nowt to do with combine harvesters.

Here we could have an 'Organschaft' scenario, namely unravelling parent-subsidiary transfer pricing and other tax-fraught interactions-
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Adrian MM.
Austria
Grading comment
Thanks Adrian
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
3 +2Corporate Group no.
Adrian MM.
4Group Registration Number
Cillie Swart
3 +1Company/corporate/business tax number
Lancashireman
Summary of reference entries provided
David Hollywood

Discussion entries: 3





  

Answers


7 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
Konz /Konzern/ Nr.
Corporate Group no.


Explanation:
Concern is, as per Huber's translation prmers, a false friend with das Konzern that means a group of companies or, as a journalistic preference, a conglomerate of companies or combine as a combination of companies - and nowt to do with combine harvesters.

Here we could have an 'Organschaft' scenario, namely unravelling parent-subsidiary transfer pricing and other tax-fraught interactions-


    Reference: http://www.cornerofberkshireandfairfax.ca/forum/general-disc...
Adrian MM.
Austria
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 16
Grading comment
Thanks Adrian

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  David Hollywood: I think this is accurate ..."Konzen" = "group"
1 hr
  -> Thanks.
agree  philgoddard
6 hrs
  -> Thanks
disagree  David Moore (X): In a tax office environment, each company has its own individual "KonzNr.", whether it's part of a group or not.
13 hrs
  -> This is Munich of conglomerate, corporate tax-'planning' tendencies, plus it's still a Konzern and not a Roman Catholic Konzil.
agree  Conny Reilly
16 hrs
  -> Danke, thanks and go raibh maith agat!
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1 day 3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
Group Registration Number


Explanation:
Group tax audit is the context I guess so I would say group registration number - as in company registration number but for the group. Maybe it is from a Handelsregister.




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Cillie Swart
South Africa
Local time: 11:43
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
Company/corporate/business tax number


Explanation:
The tax number (Steuernummer)
The Steuernummer, Steuer-Identnummer or St-Nr. is for freelancers and businesses. It's a 10 or 11 digit number, and has the format "12/345/67890". It's sometimes written in the unified federal format as "3012034567890", where the first two digits are the number of your Bundesland1, 2.
https://allaboutberlin.com/guides/german-tax-id-steuernummer

Classification of question: Law: Taxation & Customs




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Note added at 2 hrs (2020-07-24 14:54:29 GMT)
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UK: Corporation Tax
https://www.gov.uk/limited-company-formation/set-up-your-com...

US: Federal Tax Identification Number (or FEIN)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employer_Identification_Number...


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Note added at 2 days 3 hrs (2020-07-26 16:26:13 GMT)
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Re the two later contributions
group
I avoided the use of 'group' in my answer because of the ambiguity: tax group - tax band
registration
Paying tax is not a voluntary activity which a company registers for.

I do not consider that the omission/deletion of 'tax' in these two answers represents added value.

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Note added at 11 days (2020-08-04 14:54:29 GMT)
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Which of these answers did you find 'most helpful'? (See KudoZ criteria)
Unless you select the answer that was 'most helpful' (e.g. speed of response, identification of number type), the question will close automatically on 7th August on the basis of uncommented agrees from Phil Goddard and Conny Reilly and one commented agree (Konzen!) from David Hollywood.


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Note added at 11 days (2020-08-04 15:53:24 GMT) Post-grading
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"Thanks, Adrian"
You're welcome, John

Lancashireman
United Kingdom
Local time: 10:43
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 34

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  philgoddard: It's 'Konzernnummer', not 'Steuernummer'.
1 hr
  -> Please read question classification (Law: Taxation), asker's previous query and DB discussion above ("It is a 10 digit number"). What do you think of Adrian's web link? ("How does the conglomerate companies pay taxes?")
agree  David Moore (X): Certainly. I have a little translation company (a one-man band), and I have a "KonzNr." bei der hiesigen FA. The best option here is "Company number".
18 hrs
  -> Thanks. Asker went for the value-added answer.
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Reference comments


9 hrs
Reference

Reference information:
Bundesbank Konzernnummer, Bundesbank group entity number

Bundesbank Konzernnummer, Bundesbank group entity number. 209, GCD (Global Common Document) [http://www.xbrl.de/taxonomies/de-gcd/role/gcd] ...

David Hollywood
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 61

Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
neutral  David Moore (X): I don't think this applies in a tax office environment. Banks can run consolidated accounts for groups, but that ain't a tax office concern!
11 hrs
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