Antragstellerinnen zu 1) bis 3)

English translation: 1st, 2nd and 3rd claimant/petitioner/plaintiff

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German term or phrase:	Antragstellerinnen zu 1) bis 3)
English translation:	1st, 2nd and 3rd claimant/petitioner/plaintiff
Entered by:	Carolyn Brice

06:51 Feb 23, 2010

German to English translations [PRO]
Law/Patents - Law (general)

German term or phrase: Antragstellerinnen zu 1) bis 3)

Die letztlich entscheidende Frage ist, ob die durch die Antragsgegnerin an die Antragstellerinnen zu 1) bis 3) gelieferte Ware mangelhaft war.

This is a claim made by a company that the goods delivered were not suitabel for the intended purpose. The document does not specify more than one party on each side, which is why i am slightly confused. TIA

Carolyn Brice KudoZ activity Questions: 170 (none open) (1 without valid answers) (9 closed without grading) Answers: 130 Greece
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1st, 2nd and 3rd claimant/petitioner/plaintiff

Explanation:
After all the discussion below (which I found fascinating and fun, by the way!)

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David Wright
Austria
Local time: 20:26

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1st, 2nd and 3rd claimant/petitioner/plaintiff

David Wright

(´delivered to the claimants...) re. 1) through 3)

Birgit Gläser

Discussion entries: 17

Monika Elisabeth Sieger

United Kingdom

@David

11:14 Feb 23, 2010

You are absolutely right. At least for British court papers!
Submit your solution as an answer and I will agree!

David Wright

Austria

Birgit -

11:05 Feb 23, 2010

I'm afraid I must disagree on that one; I've been translating court-related material for 30 years and Antragsteller zu 1) etc is beyond doubt the only way of stating 1st claimant. I have never ever seen Antragsteller 1)

Birgit Gläser

Germany

"zu" being the operative word

11:00 Feb 23, 2010

Nothing against numbering the claimants, but the "zu" is the operative word making this into a reference. "zu 1)" is usualle "Re. (item/position/question) 1)". Were it not a cross-reference it would read "Antragstellerinnen 1) bis 3)".

Carolyn Brice

Greece

ASKER

Duh!

10:15 Feb 23, 2010

I missed the et. al. next to the name of the claimant! Which means there are of course other claimants! But essentially my question was really how to word it in English, which David Wright answered for me: 1st claimant, 2nd claimant, 3rd claimant, or 1st to 3d claimants.

Birgit Gläser

Germany

Most likely three sections in the brief

09:19 Feb 23, 2010

My reading is rather that the plaintiff's lawyer raised three issues/sections in his brief and that the claimants' lawyer now needs to respond to those counter-claims. Apparently the claimants claim the goods to be defective, maybe the plaintiff coutered that they did not handle it properly and broke it. But there is nothing to suggest that there are three claimants!

transatgees

United Kingdom

09:12 Feb 23, 2010

This seems thoroughly mixed up to me! In your place I would ask the client for clarification. This would not be the first lawyer's letter with mistakes in it!

Carolyn Brice

Greece

ASKER

08:47 Feb 23, 2010

Thanks David! That's what I wasn't sure of!

David Wright

Austria

08:41 Feb 23, 2010

I always use the 1st claimant, 2nd claimant etc, or, here, 1st to 3rd claimants

Carolyn Brice

Greece

ASKER

My question really concerns the wording

08:17 Feb 23, 2010

I agree that there are indeed three claimants, but how do I word it when it says Antragstellerinnen zu 1) bis 3), do I say the three claimants, and then the claimant in the first/second/third part when it talks about them individually?

David Wright

Austria

07:35 Feb 23, 2010

That would make it pretty obvious that there are indeed three plaintiffs/applicants/petitioners. It could be that the action is being filed not only by the company but also by persons within the company (directors etc). I agre though that it looks very odd

Carolyn Brice

Greece

ASKER

Yet more:

07:32 Feb 23, 2010

In dem Rechtsstreit
ABC (one company)
vs.
XYZ (one company)

Carolyn Brice

Greece

ASKER

More info:

07:31 Feb 23, 2010

XXX (lawyers) bedanken wir uns für die antragsgemäß bis einschließlich 08.02.2010 gewährte Fristverlängerung und nehmen zu dem Schriftsatz der Antragstellerinnen zu 1) bis 3) vom 28.12.2009 wie folgt Stellung:

Birgitt Olsen

07:29 Feb 23, 2010

Ah, but now I doubt myself! It could be the items ... It's just weird the way 'zugelieferte' has been split.

Birgitt Olsen

07:26 Feb 23, 2010

If the document does not specify more than one party on each side, then this sentence is contradictory insofar as it speaks of 'Antragstellerinnen' --> more than one female claimant.

Grammatically this sentence indicates that three claimants are involved.

Carolyn Brice

Greece

ASKER

That's the thing...

07:19 Feb 23, 2010

I don't have that information. This is a letter from a lawyer discussing the various questions raised by the claimant(s).

Andreas Weirich

Germany

It would be interesting...

07:17 Feb 23, 2010

... to know WHAT is listed under Nos 1 to 3 (to confirm David's idea...)

David Wright

Austria

07:03 Feb 23, 2010

Well it could be that the goods supplied are listed under Nos 1 to 3. Perhaps a native of German could confirm whether that reading is possible.

Answers

2 hrs confidence:

(´delivered to the claimants...) re. 1) through 3)

Explanation:
Oops, forgot the suggestion above, so might as well put in an answer. In my view two possible option: 3 product were delivered and/or the plaintiff's lawyer raised three counter-claims. In any case the brief will contain sections 1), 2) and 3). Numbering is quite common in legal texts as it makes references easier.

Thus lacking any further information I would just leave the numbers as is and the reader (who will presumably be in possession of the whole string of correspondence) can make the right assumption.

Birgit Gläser
Germany
Local time: 20:26
Native speaker of:

German
PRO pts in category: 25

4 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +4

1st, 2nd and 3rd claimant/petitioner/plaintiff

Explanation:
After all the discussion below (which I found fascinating and fun, by the way!)

David Wright
Austria
Local time: 20:26
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 295

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