Ausbildung Fachinformatiker/in Anwendungsentwicklung (m/w/d)

14:51 Nov 17, 2019 

The parentheses imply that 'IT' could go in either place, not that it should be left out altogether. I do agree though with Jennifer, that you could dispense with m/w/whatever since English does not have gender articles in this sense.

14:56 Nov 16, 2019 

I've bumped up the Q to PRO. Sebastian said he needed a translation "at native level," which suggests to me that asking a random person on the street won't do.

Best

14:52 Nov 16, 2019 

I believe you. To be frank, I wouldn't include it either unless someone insists, in which case x is better than d--even in places as far away as Australia. Also, as said there, D typically stands for disabled in the States.

By the way, I don't agree with Little Balu's comment. The legal requirement can be fulfilled in other ways (to which I alluded by saying "phrase it differently").

According to one of the UK links I posted (2nd KudoZ Q), "you could include in the advert a statement of commitment to equal opportunities, which will underline your organisation as one that welcomes applications from all sections of the community."

In the US, it seems to have gotten really complicated. Just take a quick look at what is no longer acceptable: https://www.hrsource.org/maimis/Members/Articles/2015/07/Jul...

Sebastian may know what I'm talking about when I say this is similar to the receipts you get when buying things at a German supermarket. They have the store's T&Cs printed on them and are thus so excruciatingly long (even if you buy few items) that no one has time to read them...

Best wishes

14:20 Nov 16, 2019 

How interesting - thanks for the links! It seems to be a difference between an English-language ad for publication within Germany (where there is this explicit legal requirement), and an English-language ad for publication within, say, England (where I can honestly say I've hardly ever seen these designations included on an ad) - food for thought!

And thanks for the link to the other KudoZ question - I'll hop over there now :)

14:18 Nov 16, 2019 

Putting x is a good idea. This works well, quite a bit better than leaving "m/f/x" out altogether actually, as there is a lot of relevant information there with this version for any job applicant who is either not completely fluent in German or mostly unfamiliar with how the country's job market and employment legislation are designed these days.

14:07 Nov 16, 2019 

We've had this discussion before, more than once. You don't necessarily omit this kind of note, but you phrase it differently:
https://www.proz.com/kudoz/german-to-english/human-resources...
https://www.proz.com/kudoz/german-to-english/human-resources...

The d-box posts should be quite illuminating (most of them are mine, ha ha).

Best wishes

12:14 Nov 16, 2019 

Oh, sorry. Sorry about that. -- Just like you, I also prefer IT in the second position rather than the first.

12:10 Nov 16, 2019 

Just for clarification - I meant the *entire* "(m/w/d)" designation, not just the "d" part. IMO, having "M/F" and not including something for "other" would open up a whole can of worms in the current climate!

@Ramey - Nice to "see" you and glad you agree! Hope all's well :)

11:49 Nov 16, 2019 

Not at all necessary in English since there are no gender articles.

11:28 Nov 16, 2019 

I think we will leave the "d" part out then. Thanks.

11:22 Nov 16, 2019 

Hi Sebastian!

I don't (yet!) have any thoughts on the translation of the term in question, but my feeling, as a native speaker of UK English living in the UK, that we really wouldn't use the "(m/f/other)" add-on in (UK) English at all (as, grammatically, there's nothing to suggest that the job isn't open to everyone). A quick glance at a big UK job site seems to confirm this (https://www.reed.co.uk/jobs).

A small number of employers do look to use (m/w/d) or similar, but they often seem to be websites translated from German (e.g. https://www.pgcareers.com/job/darmstadt/pharmaceutical-inter... - note "Darmstadt" in the address), and in my view, at least, it's not hugely common.

Interested to hear what other colleagues in other sectors + from other parts of the world think!