planche

English translation: plank

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French term or phrase:planche
English translation:plank
Entered by: Margarida Martins Costelha

16:02 Jul 16, 2020
French to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Wine / Oenology / Viticulture / unpleasant taste in wine
French term or phrase: planche
Hi,

I'm having trouble finding a good translation for this expression used to describe an unpleasant flavour in wine. I'd be grateful for any help.

https://dico-du-vin.com/gout-de-bois-degustation-defaut/

Goût de bois (défaut) : le fût est source de développement de bactéries. Après plusieurs années d’utilisation, le vieux bois contaminé en contact avec le vin, favorise le développement de bactéries acétiques. Elles conduisent à la formation d’acidité volatile et d’acidité d’éthyle ou bien de moisissures pouvant communiquer au vin, de mauvais goûts.

Si le bois a pour vocation de se fondre et d’enrichir le vin à la manière d’un condiment, il risque aussi d’écraser trop de petits vins par ses arômes et tannins au point de supplanter ceux du raisin. C’est sans doute l’origine de ces nombreuses expressions dépréciatives comme 'tisane de planche', 'goût de planche', 'jus de chêne', 'infusion de chêne' ou 'jus de bois' que l’utilisation, de plus en plus courante, des copeaux de bois semble favoriser.
Margarida Martins Costelha
Portugal
Local time: 15:26
plank
Explanation:
https://dokumen.tips/documents/andrew-g-reynolds-managin-win...
Toasting also decreases the unwanted sawdust, plank or sappy character

It can be responsible for sawdust or plank off-flavour
https://books.google.fr/books?id=KJJwAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA464&lpg=P...

mais également des molécules responsables de goûts indésirables dans le vin ou les spiritueux, qui peuvent être qualifiés de « planche », « sciure », « champignon » ou « moisi ».
But also molecules responsible for unwanted tastes in wine or spirits, which can be called" plank "," sawdust "," mushroom "or" musty "
https://patents.google.com/patent/FR3026337A1/fr

Booster Blanc
Limits the perception of ‘sawdust’ when the wine is aged in new oak barrels
https://catalogapp.lallemandwine.com/uploads/siy/docs/e432bf...
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Cyril Tollari
France
Local time: 16:26
Grading comment
Thank you, Cyril.
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Summary of answers provided
3 +4wood taint
Michele Fauble
4 +2plank
Cyril Tollari
3Plank juice/ wood juice
Michael Roberts
3 -1oaked (wine)
Juan Arturo Blackmore Zerón
3 -2lumber, plywood
Matt Finizio
3 -2staves/planks
SafeTex
3 -3plonk (wine)
Cathy Rosamond


Discussion entries: 17





  

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23 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -2
lumber, plywood


Explanation:
planche is a board of wood. the phrases are meant to pejoratively express the overpowering taste of wood, so some creativity may be in order. "plank juice" doesn't really sound natural to me in English, although there's nothing wrong with it. I like lumber, but you can consider some other choices, such as "plywood," even though these are not the literal translations.

Matt Finizio
United States
Local time: 11:26
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you, Matt


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Yvonne Gallagher: lumber and plywood are not used in casks so don't see how you can suggest this for the context?
1 hr
  -> Hi Yvonne. Those terms were given as possible descriptors (like when we say something "tastes like cardboard"). "Wood" and "oak" are already taken by the other terms in the text. What is your suggested term?

disagree  Tony M: 'lumber' is a generic term for wood in bulk, which doesn't really fit in this context; and plywood would be quite wrong, not least, because that could evoke a totally different kind of contamination of the wine.
2 hrs
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48 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -3
plonk (wine)


Explanation:
"Plonk is a non-specific and derogatory term used primarily in British and Australian English for cheap, low-quality wine."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plonk_(wine)

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Expensive wine and cheap plonk taste the same to most people"
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2011/apr/14/expensive-wi...



Cathy Rosamond
France
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you, Cathy


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Carol Gullidge: what you say is perfectly true, and exceedingly widely known to the point of being commonplace; however it has nothing at all to do with "'goût de planche', 'jus de chêne'", etc.
10 mins

disagree  philgoddard: This has nothing to do with the French, apart from sounding similar, and makes no sense in the context.
46 mins

disagree  Yvonne Gallagher: Not in this context
54 mins

disagree  Tony M: Not appropriate in the context, which needs to describe a specific characteristic of the wine, rather than a broad qualitative appreciation.
2 hrs
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56 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -1
oaked (wine)


Explanation:
https://winefolly.com/tips/40-wine-descriptions/

Juan Arturo Blackmore Zerón
Mexico
Local time: 10:26
Native speaker of: Spanish
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you, Juan


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Carol Gullidge: doesn't this simply mean that the wine was aged in oak? This imparts different flavours to diffre
6 mins

disagree  Yvonne Gallagher: Not what it means here
49 mins
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +4
wood taint


Explanation:
In analogy to “cork taint”.

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Note added at 1 hr (2020-07-16 17:08:20 GMT)
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Cork taint is a broad term referring to a wine fault characterized by a set of undesirable smells or tastes found in a bottle of wine, especially spoilage that can only be detected after bottling, aging and opening. Though modern studies have shown that other factors can also be responsible for taint – including wooden barrels, ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cork_taint

Michele Fauble
United States
Local time: 08:26
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 16
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you, Michele


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Carol Gullidge: wood taint does exist and also sounds feasible; however, not sure about the analogy to cork taint
9 mins
  -> thanks, analogy as to terminology, not necessarily the process.

agree  philgoddard: We still don't have a clear picture of the context, but this looks like a good bet.
31 mins
  -> thanks

agree  Yvonne Gallagher: Wood taint possible but nothing to do with corked, a separate thing
35 mins
  -> thanks, analogy as to terminology, but yes, a different thing.

agree  Tony M: Yes, we often find 'boisé' ('wooded'), which can be a desirable characteristic, but often not.
2 hrs
  -> thanks
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -2
staves/planks


Explanation:
Hello
If this simply refers to the wood used to make a wine barrel, it is this


    https://www.reclaimeddesignworks.com/products/view/stave-wine-barrel-wood
    https://www.antiquebarrelcollection.com/products/reclaimed-oak-wine-soaked-wine-barrel-planks
SafeTex
France
Local time: 16:26
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you, Safetex


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Yvonne Gallagher: Surely this doesn't fit this context?/ asker said from start it is unpleasant flavour in wine
36 mins
  -> Perhaps the flavour is simply "staves" indicating that the staves have tainted the wine.

disagree  Tony M: Those are mechanical descriptions to do with the shape of a piece of wood; but do not really relate to a characteristic of wine spoiled by an undesirable flavour.
2 hrs
  -> Perhaps the flavour is simply "staves" indicating that the staves have tainted the wine.
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4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
Plank juice/ wood juice


Explanation:
This is obviously metaphorical

Michael Roberts
Morocco
Local time: 15:26
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in FrenchFrench
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Asker: Thank you, Michael

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6 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
plank


Explanation:
https://dokumen.tips/documents/andrew-g-reynolds-managin-win...
Toasting also decreases the unwanted sawdust, plank or sappy character

It can be responsible for sawdust or plank off-flavour
https://books.google.fr/books?id=KJJwAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA464&lpg=P...

mais également des molécules responsables de goûts indésirables dans le vin ou les spiritueux, qui peuvent être qualifiés de « planche », « sciure », « champignon » ou « moisi ».
But also molecules responsible for unwanted tastes in wine or spirits, which can be called" plank "," sawdust "," mushroom "or" musty "
https://patents.google.com/patent/FR3026337A1/fr

Booster Blanc
Limits the perception of ‘sawdust’ when the wine is aged in new oak barrels
https://catalogapp.lallemandwine.com/uploads/siy/docs/e432bf...

Cyril Tollari
France
Local time: 16:26
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
Thank you, Cyril.
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you, Cyril


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Cathy Rosamond: Yes "musty" pour moisissures.
14 hrs
  -> merci

agree  Eliza Hall
1 day 18 hrs
  -> merci
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