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fifres hollandais

14:19 Sep 5, 2019
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French to English translations [PRO]
Other / Goods and products
French term or phrase: fifres hollandais
Context: fifres hollandais, fûts, barriques, tonnelets, foudres, paniers, cages, supports

All (I hope) to do with wine.

TIA Chris.
Bashiqa
France
Local time: 21:40


Summary of answers provided
4 +1Dutch flute
Zerina Mignard
Summary of reference entries provided
Wendy Streitparth

Discussion entries: 7





  

Answers


2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
Dutch flute


Explanation:
I believe that it may be referring to a type of glass/flute. See link below for pictures (page 35, top shelf, forth glass from the last one).


    https://books.google.ca/books?id=b1FhMnDvY9gC&pg=PA34&lpg=PA34&dq=dutch+flute+for+wine&source=bl&ots=jLYfIuId6l&sig=ACfU3U18FeYKVlzRtcSZk6Iw
Zerina Mignard
Canada
Local time: 15:40
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in AlbanianAlbanian
Notes to answerer
Asker: Looks promising.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  writeaway: flute was my first reaction I found that too. but who knows with 000 context, which is why I didn't bother posting
1 hr
neutral  Ph_B (X): Can't access your ref, but going from fifre ("fife") through flûte(!)/"flute", then to "champagne flutes", is hard to imagine, esp. since they're small and delicate, unlike barriques etc., which makes them sit awkwardly in this list.
2 hrs
neutral  Tony M: Like Ph_B, I think there is a less tenuous, more direct link here, as i think Wendy has identified.
3 hrs
neutral  Yvonne Gallagher: can't see how that fits in the list...
5 hrs
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Reference comments


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Reference

Reference information:
...description of the beverages ordered for the installation of the Archbishop of Canterburyin 1504: 6 pipes (a pipe holds 535 liters) of red wine, 4 pipes of claret, a pipe of choice white wine, a pipe of wine of Osey.....
C?id=B_g5BAAAQBAJ&pg=PA102&lpg=PA102&dq="a+pipe+of+wine"&source=bl&ots=RD-tk61Z07&sig=ACfU3U3cGiDTGr8rwumD2Gkr_lnJQ27HXg&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjsor71rrrkAhVH3KQKHRFLCD44ChDoATABegQICBAB#v=onepage&q="a pipe of wine"&f=false

Otherwise known as a cask

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Note added at 4 hrs (2019-09-05 19:13:23 GMT)
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One thousand vines generally produce a pipe of wine, and the total number of vines in the Port-wine Districts above described may be estimated at 90,000,000.

Page 158
https://www.jstor.org/stable/111760?seq=3#metadata_info_tab_...

Wendy Streitparth
Germany
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
agree  Tony M: I was going to say something like that, and the Dutch were great traders in wine... A 'fife' is only one special kind of 'pipe'.
36 mins
  -> Thanks, Tony. Was really a shot in the dark.
neutral  Ph_B (X): Found a reliable def that supports your ref (https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/pipe) and "cask" could definitely be part of the list quoted by Bashiqa, but what's the link between fifre hollandais ("fife" in E) and "pipe"/"cask"? See discussion.
48 mins
  -> Found a definition explaining a pipe as a kind of cask, but somehow lost it before I had posted it.
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