canard à foie gras du Périgord

16:36 Oct 30, 2018 

you are right. Thanks for the correction.

18:33 Oct 24, 2018 

This is not part of the question, but just to be clear: there are three different European indications of geographical origin and traditional specialities. Their names in English are:

Protected designation of origin (PDO)
Protected geographical indication (PGI)
Traditional specialities guaranteed (TSG)

and in French:
Appellation d'origine protégée (AOP)
Indication géographique protégée (IGP)
Spécialités traditionnelles garanties (STG)

This is a PGI/IGP, not a PDO/AOP.

The difference is slight; the main one is that PDO/AOP has to be entirely manufactured within the designated region, whereas PGI/IGP need only be partially manufactured within the designated region.
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN-FR/TXT/?uri=CELEX...
https://ec.europa.eu/info/food-farming-fisheries/food-safety...

14:03 Oct 24, 2018 

No, I quite agree, and my motive for spending time here is more to learn (from my own research and from others) than to teach. But if you're wrong, the sooner you find out, the better.

Going back to the peer comment thing for a moment: I think it would be very unfair to suggest that those who agreed with my suggestion were unqualified to do so, or that they were doing so just because it was me. They are all highly competent and reliable colleagues. Presumably they agreed with my argument, but, like me, weren't aware of that crucial fact that undermined it (which is quite easy to miss if you're not already aware of it).

13:37 Oct 24, 2018 

searching for the right answer is not "waste of time", even if occasionally you go in the wrong direction. You can always learn from your mistakes, and so employ a more efficient method next time.

13:37 Oct 24, 2018 

Once you have posted an answer, you can no longer post a reference; the only thing you can do is what you did: add the references as an 'added note'

13:29 Oct 24, 2018 

The fault is mine; I did open your reference, but I didn't spot the clue hidden there: "des gammes de produits", not just one product. Though if all of those products were forms of foie-gras, I could still have held out!

13:25 Oct 24, 2018 

It wouldn't let me post a reference when I wanted to so I had to rather hide it in my own answer area. I referred to it in your reply (now deleted) to my answer, Charles but I don't think I thought to refer to it in your own answer box.

13:08 Oct 24, 2018 

when some people go "tactically agreeing" in language pairs they know strictly nothing about - wouldn't probably even be capable of recognising the language, let alone understand it enough to make any comment - (assuming they suddenly learned to read Serbian Cyrillic ...) - a very interesting/creative way of helping fellow translators looking for the right answer to their question, not for a free game show ...

13:01 Oct 24, 2018 

Thanks! You're right in general about peer comments, and it's very annoying, though I don't feel there have been strategic or personalised peer comments here. I honestly don't mind being disagreed when those who do so convince me I'm wrong; on the contrary, I'm grateful to be put right. The trouble here was that none of the comments I received did convince me, because all they said was "this refers to a duck". Well, any fool can see that, and I had said so at the outset. I was slightly irked at the suggestion that I wasn't even capable of understanding what "canard à foie gras" means. None of those who disagreed addressed my arguments for not translating it literally. All it needed was for someone to say "this is not just a label for foie-gras", at which point my entire argument would have crashed to the ground (as it eventually did when I discovered it for myself), and I would have withdrawn sooner. That's what I meant.

12:51 Oct 24, 2018 

"Some people, of course, simply don't have the necessary specialist knowledge to peer comment in any kind of authoritative way; and very often, do so simply to ally themselves with this or that person (...).
Then again, there is a more destructive move by certain people to use peer comments tactically — often agreeing with any answer, right or wrong, just so as to counter another answer, which might in fact be more correct or pertinent." Or just, shall I add, because they wouldn't be seen dead agreeing - or disagreeing for that matter - with this or that person.

12:45 Oct 24, 2018 

I think several of us already understood it as a special duck used for foie gras — as indeed Asker had made clear.
Sadly, I think here you have highlighted a growing problem: people peer commenting for the wrong reason!
Some people, of course, simply don't have the necessary specialist knowledge to peer comment in any kind of authoritative way; and very often, do so simply to ally themselves with this or that person (such as yourself) whom they admire.
Then again, there is a more destructive move by certain people to use peer comments tactically — often agreeing with any answer, right or wrong, just so as to counter another answer, which might in fact be more correct or pertinent. This very much goes against the "presumption of good faith" that is assumed across the whole of ProZ.com.
I'm glad you have come round to seeing this question as several others of us have, and I'm only sorry I was the only one to 'disagree' with your original answer — and I think that's a first, since I know you and I are generally very much on the same wavelength :-) I did rather think I had refuted your original premise by my explanation — but perhaps I was too successful in doing so politely!

12:20 Oct 24, 2018 

Without wishing to seem petulant, may I add that I'm surprised and a little disappointed (though in another sense relieved) that I was left to refute my own answer, and that no one who disagreed with it made the obvious point I've mentioned: namely that my premise about this being a label used only for foie gras was false. Had it been true, my answer was perfectly defensible (I believe). But then we don't always read each others' answers. I only realised when I saw, buried in one of Tony's notes, a reference to buying magret with this label, and then went back and read the Ministry of Agriculture page more carefully. The fact remains that my answer, until I removed it, was the only one with a net number of agrees (for which I'm very grateful), despite being wrong. I say this not to claim any credit — on the contrary — but to appeal to those who have the relevant knowledge to deploy it effectively.

11:56 Oct 24, 2018 

In case anyone's wondering, I've withdrawn my answer because I have belatedly realised that this IGP certifies not just foie-gras but also other duck products (including rillettes, confits, terrines, pâtés, salaison). I only found it as a label for foie-gras itself, which is evidently what it's primarily but not exclusively used for. Had I realised this, I would have posted the obvious and I think unimprovable translation, which I mentioned at the beginning: "Périgord foie-gras duck". Sorry to waste everyone's time (not least my own).