associer le rôle de l’artiste

English translation: site the role of the artist (within)

11:48 Sep 17, 2018
French to English translations [PRO]
Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting / Collective outdoor art project
French term or phrase: associer le rôle de l’artiste
Hi all,

This term comes from an article about the following collective outdoor art project in Brussels: https://www.rtbf.be/vivacite/emissions/detail_aller-retour-b...

The text is being translate from French (Belgium) into English (United Kingdom).

The context is as follows:

"Objectifs du projet : ... associer le rôle de l’artiste qui « bouscule » et accompagne le public dans une réflexion critique sur des thématiques sociétales, en intégrant la médiation culturelle dans le projet artistique."

Many thanks in advance for your help :)
Matt Valentine
Norway
Local time: 02:00
English translation:site the role of the artist (within)
Explanation:
This would be my reading as an art historian. See my comments in the discussion box. I think the 'dans' is important and not a replacement for 'à', even if the author perhaps chose a rather clumsy verb to start the phrase. I believe he/she is saying they want to look at the role of the artist within the context of critical considerations/discourse, in other words, look at how artists respond to such theoretical concerns, or may be understood from the vantage point of such theory. 'To link' is too weak.

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Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
Local time: 01:00
Grading comment
Thanks, Helen! :)
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Summary of answers provided
4 +1site the role of the artist (within)
Helen Shiner
5 -1associate the role of the artist
Mohamed Hosni
4 -1to involve the artist's role
Ben Gaia
3to connect the role of the artist
Eliza Hall
4 -1To link the artist's scheme
Odette Grille (X)
3 -1to combine the role of the artist (with)
Lorraine Dubuc


Discussion entries: 15





  

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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -1
to combine the role of the artist (with)


Explanation:
For example, make the artist take part into something other than the role he is playing. Have his character make people think some things over and stimulate their interest towards arts.

Example sentence(s):
  • to combine the role of the artist with a societal purpose
Lorraine Dubuc
Canada
Local time: 20:00
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Mohamed Hosni: "to combine" !.
5 days
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
site the role of the artist (within)


Explanation:
This would be my reading as an art historian. See my comments in the discussion box. I think the 'dans' is important and not a replacement for 'à', even if the author perhaps chose a rather clumsy verb to start the phrase. I believe he/she is saying they want to look at the role of the artist within the context of critical considerations/discourse, in other words, look at how artists respond to such theoretical concerns, or may be understood from the vantage point of such theory. 'To link' is too weak.

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You may need to go back to the client, however, to query this.

Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
Local time: 01:00
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 348
Grading comment
Thanks, Helen! :)

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Eliza Hall: Yes, that translates both the concept and the tone -- it really sounds like art-speak! :)
6 hrs
  -> Thank you, Eliza ;-)

agree  writeaway:
19 hrs
  -> Thanks, writeaway

disagree  Mohamed Hosni: It's not at all " site ".Never mind your agree or your disagree. What reason are you looking for?. "associer" it's associate.
5 days
  -> I disagree with you. And you give no reason./Associate does not work in this context, which I know well as an art historian. So, I'll be ignoring your disagree and hope the asker does, too.
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7 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): -1
to involve the artist's role


Explanation:
as "disruptor"...etc

Ben Gaia
New Zealand
Local time: 12:00
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Mohamed Hosni: It's just " associate ".
4 days
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
to connect the role of the artist


Explanation:
I have my doubts as to the comments some have posted stating that the French is just clunky and the thing the artist is to be associated with is the "réflexion critique." I think we need to see the whole sentence (i.e. the words that the OP replaced with an ellipsis).

As I read this partial sentence that Matthew posted, it should be: "...to connect the role of the artist who 'disrupts' and accompanies the public in a critical reflection on societal themes, by integrating cultural mediation into the artistic project."

IOW I read it as a sentence fragment that doesn't include the thing that's being connected with the artist. If we're going with the other commenter's suggestion, however, and taking the "réflexion critique" as the thing being connected with the artist (i.e. if we're accepting that the French original is somewhere between clunky and incorrect), then it would be:

"...to connect the role of the artist who 'disrupts' and accompanies the public with a critical reflection on societal themes, by integrating cultural mediation into the artistic project."

I don't think that makes sense, though. Artists don't just "accompany the public." By itself that makes no sense, which is what makes me read it as the artist accompanying the public in a critical reflection.

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PS Matthew would you mind posting the entire sentence (i.e. not the version with the ellipsis)?

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Thanks for the complete sentence! Here's my suggested translation of it. The original is a little po-mo/artsy, obviously, so my translation is too. Starting the sentence off with this makes sense without any context, but I might kick off differently if I could see what preceded it ("Il s’agit là" can be translated several different ways):

This is a first step toward the city's social development and a form of emancipation achieved by the means of a reframing, an awakening of critical faculties, and a reflectiveness about the world through art and culture, by connecting the role of the artist who 'disrupts' and accompanies the public with a critical reflection on societal themes, integrating cultural mediation into the artistic project.

Original as posted by Matthew:

"Il s’agit là d’un premier pas vers un développement social de la ville et une forme d’émancipation atteinte au travers d’une formulation de pensée, d’un éveil de la critique et d’une réflexibilité sur le monde par le biais artistique et culturel en associant le rôle de l’artiste qui « bouscule » à l’artiste qui accompagne le public dans une réflexion critique sur des thématiques sociétales."

Eliza Hall
United States
Local time: 20:00
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Ben Gaia: I agree with your take, but you could use "involve" see my answer.
5 hrs

disagree  Mohamed Hosni: Not " to connect " !!!.
5 days
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5 days   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): -1
associate the role of the artist


Explanation:
Suggestion,

Mohamed Hosni
Morocco
Local time: 01:00
Native speaker of: Native in ArabicArabic

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Helen Shiner: Not good English, sorry. We just don't say this.
7 mins
  -> Not good comment. It's not we who say, it's languages which do.

disagree  Lorraine Dubuc: Very bad English Mohamed. Sorry.
23 hrs
  -> Very bad an very wrong comment Lorraine!
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10 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): -1
To link the artist's scheme


Explanation:
or purpose

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Il se pourrait qu'il y ait un "lui" avant ou un "y" avant assoxcier,

lui associer
y associer

Odette Grille (X)
Canada
Local time: 20:00
Works in field
Native speaker of: French
PRO pts in category: 8

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Mohamed Hosni: No, c'est pas du tout 'to link".
5 days
  -> Ah ? http://crisco.unicaen.fr/des/synonymes/lier
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