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14:23 Dec 21, 2017 |
English to French translations [PRO] Social Sciences - Genealogy / placed or unplaced | |||||||
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| Selected response from: Jennifer Levey Chile Local time: 06:13 | ||||||
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4 +1 | en attente de placement |
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4 | dont le lien de parenté est inconnu |
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3 +1 | (non) identifiables |
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dont le lien de parenté est inconnu Explanation: I don’t think your client’s explanation is correct. The mere fact that a person cannot be “placed” geographically is no reason to give them special numbers. In most genealogies going back a few generations there are many individuals who cannot be “placed according to locality” (or even to any specific country). “placed” refers here to the establishment of the person’s “place” on the family tree – as the child, sibling or parent of someone else whose place is known. In cases where persons could not be placed, … --> (par example) Les personnes dont le lien de parenté (parentage) est inconnu/indéterminé reçoivent des numéros commençant par A1, … Source: 50+ years experience in the field. -------------------------------------------------- Note added at 1 hr (2017-12-21 15:27:09 GMT) -------------------------------------------------- Just to add that “unplaced” people may arise while managing a genealogical database when individuals are found in public or private records who seem to have some relationship to the family under investigation but the precise relationship is unknown. For example, a census record may name five children all with surname “Smith” living in a house where the head of household is “John Smith”. But it may already be known (eg, from a will) that John Smith only had three children. So, who are the other two “Smiths”? They might be siblings or nephews/nieces of John Smith, but without corroborating evidence they cannot be properly “placed”. And it might be a mere coincidence that John Smith had two lodgers named “Smith” who were not related to him at all. While the relationship is uncertain, these two “Smiths” will be given A1 … numbers. -------------------------------------------------- Note added at 2 hrs (2017-12-21 16:28:34 GMT) -------------------------------------------------- I wonder if the client’s explanation (which Cassandra herself finds unclear) is not necessarily incorrect (as I suggested initially), but simply ambiguous. The idea is that these people should be "placed" or be put in a place and some can be placed according to locality and others not (unplaced). Probably the unplaced ones will become placed one day as research is still ongoing. --> might be read as: The idea is that these people should be put in their proper place in the family tree. Some can be placed by virtue of their sharing a common locality (eg, they live in the same house in a census return), and others not (eg, because there is no ‘locality’ data available). Probably the un-placed individuals (= those with no known family relationship) will be placed (in the same genealogical sense) one day, as research (eg, into census records) is still ongoing. That said, it is generally considered “unsafe” to establish relationships in a family tree on the basis of mere “geographical localization” data (census records, shared plots in a cemetery, etc.) without corroborating evidence such as BMD records, wills, etc. – as per the Smith family example I gave earlier. Better, as in the system described in the ST, to put these “unplaced” persons in a separate numbering sequence, until there is sufficient evidence to attach them in their proper “place” in the tree. While I’m here, it’s perhaps worth mentioning that the numbering scheme referred to is a variant of the Aboville system (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numérotation_d'Aboville ). |
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en attente de placement Explanation: Quand on en saura plus sur ces personnes, on pourra peut-être les positionner dans l'arbre. |
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6 hrs confidence: peer agreement (net): +1
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