black Shiˁism

Persian (Farsi) translation: تشیع صفوی

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English term or phrase:black Shiˁism
Persian (Farsi) translation:تشیع صفوی
Entered by: SeiTT

13:17 May 28, 2011
English to Persian (Farsi) translations [Non-PRO]
Religion / Shiˁism
English term or phrase: black Shiˁism
Greetings,

Please see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Shari'ati

Perhaps certain restrictions on women are seen by some as “Black Shiˁism”.

Furthermore, there was an Iran TV serial in which “Black Shiˁism” was alluded to: روزهای اعتراض.

Some rather sinister types were trying to stop the diversion of the course of the local river for their own sinister purposes, and a representative of “Black Shiˁism” was actually helping them, saying that it was a sin to divert a river.

However, according to my information, there is nothing in true Shiˁism against such a thing if it is truly in the public interest.

Best wishes, and many thanks,

Simon
SeiTT
United Kingdom
Local time: 01:24
تشیع صفوی
Explanation:


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You can see Dr. Ali Shari'ati's book on this subject in the following link:
http://ghafaseh.ir/ebook/8715.htm

بدون شک اولین کسی که به شناخت تشیع صفوی و تمایز آن با مکتب تشیع همت گماشت استاد شهید مرحوم دکترعلی شریعتی (ره) بود.
http://giveea.blogfa.com/post-37.aspx

As you could see in the explanation provided by Wikipedia, Black Shi'ism and Safavid Shi'ism are the same. In Persian, however, Safavid Shi'ism is more frequent, and most of the articles and texts related to this subject are written on تشیع علوی.
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Ahmad Kabiri
Iran
Local time: 03:54
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Many thanks, excellent.
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Summary of answers provided
5 +4شيعه سياه/ تشيع سياه
Komeil Zamani Babgohari
5 +4تشیع صفوی
Ahmad Kabiri
5تشیع سیاه/تشیع صفوی
Akbar Fazeli
5تشیع سیاه
Farzad Akmali
5تشيع افراطى
Shaily Zolfagari


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4 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +4
black shiˁism
شيعه سياه/ تشيع سياه


Explanation:
http://sociology89.blogfa.com/post-10.aspx

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this is also called تشيع صفوي

Komeil Zamani Babgohari
Iran
Local time: 03:54
Native speaker of: Native in Persian (Farsi)Persian (Farsi)

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Ahmad Kabiri
14 mins

agree  Younes Mostafaei: تشیع صفوی.
15 mins

agree  Ramak Milani
4 hrs

agree  Mahmood Haerian-Ardakani
14 days
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8 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +4
black shiˁism
تشیع صفوی


Explanation:


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Note added at 17 mins (2011-05-28 13:35:11 GMT)
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You can see Dr. Ali Shari'ati's book on this subject in the following link:
http://ghafaseh.ir/ebook/8715.htm

بدون شک اولین کسی که به شناخت تشیع صفوی و تمایز آن با مکتب تشیع همت گماشت استاد شهید مرحوم دکترعلی شریعتی (ره) بود.
http://giveea.blogfa.com/post-37.aspx

As you could see in the explanation provided by Wikipedia, Black Shi'ism and Safavid Shi'ism are the same. In Persian, however, Safavid Shi'ism is more frequent, and most of the articles and texts related to this subject are written on تشیع علوی.

Ahmad Kabiri
Iran
Local time: 03:54
Native speaker of: Native in Persian (Farsi)Persian (Farsi)
PRO pts in category: 20
Grading comment
Many thanks, excellent.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Younes Mostafaei: Exactly. one of Shariati's essays (تشیع علوی و تشیع صفوی).
10 mins
  -> Thanks a lot

agree  Ahmad Hosseinzadeh
32 mins
  -> Thanks a lot

agree  Reza Ebrahimi
2 hrs
  -> Thanks a lot

agree  Housein Bazoubandi: RIGHT!
17 hrs
  -> Thanks a lot!
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5 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
black shiˁism
تشیع سیاه/تشیع صفوی


Explanation:
Red Shi'ism (the religion of martyrdom) vs. Black Shi'ism (the religion of mourning) by Dr. Ali Shariati. در واقع بعد از شکست شاه اسماعیل در مقابل سلطان سلیم اول شکل گرفت.

Akbar Fazeli
Local time: 03:54
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26 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
black shiˁism
تشیع سیاه


Explanation:
black Shi'ism vs. Red Shi'ism:

please visit below link for a nice explanation of both and the history:
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CDQQFj...

Red Shi'ism, The Religion of Martyrdom Vs Black Shi'ism, The Religion of Mourning

"Red Shi'ism Vs. Black Shi'ism" by: Dr. Ali Shariati.



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Black refers to the "black clothes" we! wear when we mourn
someone so dear!

تشیع علوی تشیع وحدت است



تشیع صفوی تشیع تفرقه!



تشیع علوی تشیع رسم است



تشیع صفوی تشیع اسم!



تشیع علوی تشیع سرخ است



تشیع صفوی تشیع سیاه!



تشیع علوی تشیع شهادت است



تشیع صفوی تشیع عزا...



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http://shariati4all.persianblog.ir/post/268

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http://www.oursouthazerbaijan.com/osa_safevian.htm

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Red Shi'ism, The Religion of Martyrdom Vs Black Shi'ism, The Religion of Mourning


In the dress of a simple darvish, Sheikh Khalifeh goes to Sabzevar as a lonely stranger, takes up residence in the great mosque of the town, and begins preaching there. It was during the first half of the eighth century, following the wholesale massacres perpetrated by Ghengis Khan and Hulaku, when the rule of the Mongols had reduced the Iranian masses to submission, depression, humiliation and weakness; when the revenge of Ghengis Khan was law; when the sword and the hangman were enforcers of the law.

But this marks the beginning of the Sarbedaran liberation movement. Sheikh Khalifeh is not an ordinary darvish but a preacher who is in revolt against everything that teaches people to bow to ignorance and oppression, a revolt backed by a faith, a School of thought and a "Red" history: Shi'ism (religion of Martyrdom) and ASHURA. Slowly, the deprived masses begin to understand, to find their way, and as a result, to become a threatening force.

However, the official pseudo-clergy of Mongols start their usual game of spreading rumors and then issuing religious decrees, and at last, calling for authorised murder, saying:-

"This Sheikh discusses worldly affairs in the mosque" .... "This Sheikh conjectures in the mosque and defiles the house of God", and "This Sheikh confuses the religion of the people".

The pseudo-clergy try to turn the people against him, and prepare the ground for his downfall. They help the Mongol ruler to take his life. They write to the Mongol ruler saying that the Sheikh has strayed from the true Religion, and is not prepared to repent and retract in spite of their best efforts. They say he is propagating worldly ideas in the mosque, and spreading the work of the protesters (the Revolutionary Shi'ites)! They continue "His behaviour calls for the death penalty, and it is up to Sultan Saied to rid the religion of this pestilence".

The spreading of rumors and the rousing of people against him increases but the Sheikh's call to understanding, faith and salvation, continues to attract the hearts of the deprived and suffering rural masses more and more to him. Until early one morning, when his admirers go as usual to see him, they see his dead body in the mosque.

After the Sheikh's assassination, his disciple Sheikh Hasan Juri continues his work. He gives an immediate call to arms, organizes his disciples and goes underground. He starts roaming the towns and sowing the seeds of understanding and revolt wherever he goes, on the basis of Shi'ism and Ashura teachings. The minds of the people are prepared. The hearts of the enslaved masses are throbbing for revolt under the curtain of secrecy. One spark will be sufficient.....

A cruel nephew of the barbaric Mongol ruler enters the village of Baashteen, a village about thirty-six kilometers south of Sabzevar, as he normally does. With his followers, he enters the house of Abdul Razzaq, one of the pious and honourable villagers who is still reeling under the devastating influence of the religious propaganda of the ruler.

The retinue asks the villagers for food, and are duly served. Then they ask for wine! For the villagers, who are Moslems and Shi'ites, who have been deeply influenced by the words of Sheikh Khalifeh, the bringing of wine for such rascals, and that, too, under compulsion, is too much. However, they serve it! The guests become intoxicated! They ask for women!

This was the beginning of the explosion, very simple and rapid! The host goes to the people and calling the Shi'ite masses, exclaims that the Mongol ruler is asking for their women. What is their reply? They say "We are prepared to die rather than be so defiled! Our women for the enemy shall be our swords".

The result is inevitable. The masses have made up their minds. They kill the whole group at one attempt. As they know that there is no turning back, as they know that they have already chosen death, they stop wavering. The choice of death gives them such energy that their single village revolts against that bloodthirsty regime and is successful. The villagers overrun the town, fighting against the Mongol army and the decrees of the pseudo-clergy of the religion of the state. They are victorious. Their cry: "Salvation and Justice!" and "The destruction of the power of the ruling Mongols and the influence of the priests of the religion of the rulers and the big landowners of the ruling class". The victims of the ignorance of the pseudo-clergy and the prisoners of the oppression of the Mongols continue joining the ranks of the rebels.

Sabzevar becomes a center of power; like a fire that spreads through dry brush, the Shi'ite revolutionary guards, who enjoy the backing of the rural warriors and champions of the masses, and have the ideology of Sheikh Khalifeh and Sheikh Hasan and similar kinds of well-informed, righteous and missionary men of learning, engulf the whole of Khorasan and northern Iran and even inflame the south of the country. And for the first time, a revolutionary movement based on Alavite Shi'ism, against foreign domination, internal deceit, the power of the feudal lords and wealthy capitalists, had an armed uprising, led by peasants seven hundred years ago, under the banner of justice and the culture of martyrdom, for the salvation of the enslaved nation and the deprived masses.

And this is the last revolutionary wave of Alavite Shi'ism, Red Shi'ism, which continued for seven hundred years to be the flame of the spirit of revolution, the search for freedom, and justice, always inclining towards the common people and fighting relentlessly against oppression, ignorance and poverty.

A century later came the Safavids, and Revolutionary Shi'ism left the great mosque of the common people to become a next-door neighbor to the Palace of 'Ali Qapu in the Royal Mosque.

Red Shi'ism changes to Black Shi'ism!

The Religion of Martyrdom changes to The Religion of Mourning!

Extract from the book "Red Shi'ism Vs. Black Shi'ism" by: Dr. Ali Shariati.


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http://mahdyzaman.blogfa.com/post-22.aspx



Farzad Akmali
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1 day 6 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
black shiˁism
تشيع افراطى


Explanation:
If the target audience of this text is the general public use تشيع افراطى

Shaily Zolfagari
Canada
Local time: 20:24
Native speaker of: Native in Persian (Farsi)Persian (Farsi), Native in EnglishEnglish
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