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mensenadel

English translation: aristocracy - human nobility

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Dutch term or phrase:mensenadel
English translation:aristocracy - human nobility
Entered by: Luuk Arens

20:37 Mar 18, 2010
Dutch to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Philosophy / Plato
Dutch term or phrase: mensenadel
XX was al vanaf de machtsovername door Hitler in 1933 gefascineerd door het nationaal-socialisme en raakte vooral in vervoering door de racistische idee van de Nieuwe Mens � de idee van elite, nobilisme en de mensenadel van Plato betekenden voor hem zelfs een nieuwe levensvorm.
Luuk Arens
Netherlands
Local time: 17:20
aristocracy - human nobility
Explanation:
Your passage is specifically mentioning Plato in a Nazi context and this brings to mind a complex philosophical argument which cannot be simply reproduced on Proz. Because you already have nobilisme, and bearing in mind Plato's <it>The Republic</it> which outlines Plato's concepts of aristocracy, you may wish to use "aristocracy" here. Plato's ideas were built on by Nietzsche, the philosopher par excellence of Nazism whose thinking about racial superiority underpins the concept of the Master Race. You will need to research this and determine what is actually being spoken about in your context in order to translate it accurately. No simple question...no simple task.
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Textpertise
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Local time: 16:20
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Thank you all for your help!
Luuk
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3 +2aristocracy - human nobility
Textpertise
3people nobility
Verginia Ophof
3moral sublimity of man
Barend van Zadelhoff


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people nobility


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Verginia Ophof
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aristocracy - human nobility


Explanation:
Your passage is specifically mentioning Plato in a Nazi context and this brings to mind a complex philosophical argument which cannot be simply reproduced on Proz. Because you already have nobilisme, and bearing in mind Plato's <it>The Republic</it> which outlines Plato's concepts of aristocracy, you may wish to use "aristocracy" here. Plato's ideas were built on by Nietzsche, the philosopher par excellence of Nazism whose thinking about racial superiority underpins the concept of the Master Race. You will need to research this and determine what is actually being spoken about in your context in order to translate it accurately. No simple question...no simple task.


    Reference: http://encyclopedia.jrank.org/APO_ARN/ARISTOCRACY_Gr_apuvror...
    Reference: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/nietzsche-moral-political/
Textpertise
United Kingdom
Local time: 16:20
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
Thank you all for your help!
Luuk

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moral sublimity of man


Explanation:
the idea of an elite, nobility and Plato's moral sublimity of man ...

mensenadel ?? Laat ik vooropstellen dat ik dit een vreemd woord vind (en wat te denken van "nobilisme"), maar in verband met Plato breng ik "mensenadel" in verband met het uitgangspunt van Plato dat de mens in staat is tot het kennen van en leven vanuit absolute ethische waarden, waarden die geacht worden voor iedereen te gelden en door iedereen erkend te kunnen worden. Ergens diep van binnen zouden wij weten wat in elke voorkomende situatie de volmaakt ethische handelwijze zou zijn. Als we maar in staat zouden zijn de sluier op te lichten dan zouden we ook werkelijk volmaakt ethisch handelen.

Als we het dan over het nazisme hebben dan zien we dat al die opgeblazen ego's de woorden van Plato letterlijk namen en ervan uit gingen dat zij die absolute ethische waarden als het ware al belichaamden, zij schreven die zichzelf zonder meer toe en hadden het idee dat zij op basis van die absolute waarden hun beleid uitstippelden en boven elke kritiek verheven waren.

Hoewel in de praktijk die "mensenadel" zich manifesteerde als "moral superiority", doordat de nazi's zich deze mensenadel zonder meer toeschreven, wordt hier toch verwezen naar de "mensenadel van Plato" en zou ik dat willen vertalen met "Plato's moral sublimity of man"

We can measure the difference this way: for Plato, the world is beautiful; its wonderful beauty reflects the moral sublimity of its creator. ...


"nobilisme" verwijst mogelijk naar het idee dat ze zichzelf allemaal zagen als "zijnde van adel" en wordt misschien het best vertaald met "nobility": the idea of nobility

Barend van Zadelhoff
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Local time: 17:20
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