klip van onoverwonnen ik-heid slechten

English translation: to overcome the obstacle of unconquered I-ness

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Dutch term or phrase:klip van onoverwonnen ik-heid slechten
English translation:to overcome the obstacle of unconquered I-ness
Entered by: Lianne van de Ven

06:21 Apr 24, 2010
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Art/Literary - History / early socialism
Dutch term or phrase: klip van onoverwonnen ik-heid slechten
De volledige zin luidt:
"Het culturele, spirituele socialisme vroeg om daden, als het niet wilde verworden tot dweperige woordenkramerij of, in de termen van de opstellers van [publicatie] tot ‘wierook aan eigen verhevenheid van geest en hart’. Wie in het gevecht voor de vestiging van de socialistische samenleving een hefboom en geen belemmering wilde zijn, moest zelfbeheersing tonen. Vooral lichamelijke harding hielp ‘de klip van uw onoverwonnen ik-heid’ slechten. Van jongs af aan dienden jonge socialisten zich te trainen in ‘de moeilijkste aller kampen: de overwinning van onszelf’."

Deze nogal intense tekst gaat over jeugdige, georganiseerde socialisten, rond 1920, gekarakteriseerd door sterke ideologie, lichamelijke fitheid, kamperen en natuur, en die een lichtend voorbeeld voor de maatschappij wilden zijn.

Ik blijf hangen in iets als "tackle the pitfall of rampant me-ness" maar dat klinkt me niet echt 'early 20th century" in de oren...
Heeft iemand een goede suggestie?
Lianne van de Ven
United States
Local time: 00:46
to surmount the obstacle of your unconquered egocentrism
Explanation:
laat ik een voorzetje geven

"klip" betekent hier "hindernis, obstakel"

"ik-heid" betekent hier in mijn ogen "egocentrisme", "egoisme/zelfzucht/ikzucht", "navelstaarderij", "sterk op zichzelf gericht zijn", "narcisme", dat soort zaken

het ik/ego neemt de centrale positie in in plaats van de gemeenschap of het grotere geheel: het gevecht voor de vestiging van de socialistische samenleving
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Barend van Zadelhoff
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Local time: 05:46
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Dit heb ik ervan gemaakt: overcome the obstacle of unconquered I-ness.
('from unconquered I-ness to Selfhood'). Bedankt voor het meedenken Barend.
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3to surmount the obstacle of your unconquered egocentrism
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klip van uw onoverwonnen ik-heid slechten
to surmount the obstacle of your unconquered egocentrism


Explanation:
laat ik een voorzetje geven

"klip" betekent hier "hindernis, obstakel"

"ik-heid" betekent hier in mijn ogen "egocentrisme", "egoisme/zelfzucht/ikzucht", "navelstaarderij", "sterk op zichzelf gericht zijn", "narcisme", dat soort zaken

het ik/ego neemt de centrale positie in in plaats van de gemeenschap of het grotere geheel: het gevecht voor de vestiging van de socialistische samenleving


Barend van Zadelhoff
Netherlands
Local time: 05:46
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Dit heb ik ervan gemaakt: overcome the obstacle of unconquered I-ness.
('from unconquered I-ness to Selfhood'). Bedankt voor het meedenken Barend.

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neutral  writeaway: it's not 'ik/ego'.
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Reference information:
E. Belfort Bax: The Ethics of Socialism (On Immortality)
Ernest Belfort Bax: The Ethics of Socialism (On Immortality) ... That the principle of Selfhood or I-ness which is the condition of all possible ...
www.marxists.org/archive/bax/1893/ethics/14-immortality.htm

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In and around the same period. Your text says socialism but it also sounds like German national socialism. In any case, thought is determined by era, not by national boundaries so one can imagine that these ideas were being tossed around outside of the Dutch-speaking realm as well, or even inspired by non-Dutch sources.

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For Heidegger, freedom is the “original understanding or the primal projection of that which it itself makes possible. In projecting open the for-the-sake-of-which [end, goal] as such, Dasein gives itself the original bond of commitment.”[21] Heidegger aims at understanding freedom as spontaneity, to begin something by oneself. Heidegger specifies this “by oneself” by understanding Being as the ability “to be with others.” Heidegger does not examine Being-in-the-world as “individual I-ness,” but as metaphysical “Ichheit,” for which he uses the expression “selfness” (p. 243). Being does not mean the “common isolated, egoistic subject.” Instead this Being is always already with others: “Only because Dasein as constituted by the for-the-sake-of exists in selfness, is something like a human community possible” (p. 245). “Selfness” in itself “freely bears a binding obligation for and to itself.” Dasein, as a free projection of the world, “sketches and prefigures the world such that the voluntary hold on it is a binding hold, i.e. this projection places Dasein in a playing field of choices. This binding commitment holds freedom over against itself. The world is in this freedom held over against this freedom” (p. 248). Therefore “being-in-the-world is nothing other than freedom” (p. 248).
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Asker: Thanks writeaway. Parts of this early socialism indeed evolved into, and was criticized for, national socialist ideology of the era, which is addressed in this text. I-ness as well as Selfhood fit the Zeitgeist better. 'Onoverwonnen ik-heid' in its entirety, then, is the opposite of Selfhood (a very different concept than the 'selfhood' of the 60's). And I am looking, then, for a good translation of 'onoverwonnen ik-heid'. Will review "Beyond Marxism: the faith and works of Hendrik de Man" (Peter Dodge) today, as his philosophy is central in this text.


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