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‘half ondergronds woekeren’:
I think the meaning is related to something like this:
‘Whilst consumer inflation has fallen it is a complex picture and the headlines of zero inflation are misleading. Actually the oil price fall combined with falls in the price of other commodities has given us disinflation in the price of goods which is very welcome to many. If we look beneath the surface we see that services inflation carries on in its own not very merry way.’ (https://goo.gl/arinHz ) --- ‘Inflation and the CPI
The British economy, we are told, is on the mend. After years of stagnation, […]
Yet scratch a little beneath the surface, and it is clear that this cheery picture does not match experience for many of us. A return to economic growth has not, yet, turned into a widespread feeling of prosperity.’ (http://www.realbritainindex.org/report/inflation-and-the-cpi ) --- “There are a lot of rumbling numbers beneath the surface,” he said by phone. “The concern I have is what happens if gasoline prices come back, and they’re starting to come back, and you could have a little burst of inflation.” (http://goo.gl/AcpZRz )
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‘woekeren’:
Van Dale NL/EN:
voortdurend groeien ten koste van iets anders
onkruid: be / grow rank kwaadaardig ook: be / grow rampant, be / grow rife (biologie) proliferate
context: een woekerend gezwel = a festering / gangrenous / cancerous growth woekerend onkruid = rank weeds, rampant growth of weeds
figuratief gebruikt als in "het onkruid niet kunnen wieden"
Evgeny Artemov (X)
South Africa
I thought about that, too.
10:29 Sep 24, 2015
They hated indeed to admit openly/officially there was inflation on, at the time, although everybody was talking of it (until Yeltsin let prices loose in Russia on 2 Jan 1992). I think there should be a mention (of this or some eventual recognition of inflation) farther down the context.
Kostprijsberekening zoals die nu op het programma van de perestroika staat, zal tot tot prijsverhogingen leiden.
Socialistische economen hebben met dat vraagstuk weinig ervaring. Tot voor een paar jaar 'bestond' dat verschijnsel daar niet.
Die nieuwe perestroikaanse prijberekening bevindt zich nog in een overgangsfase en die subsidies blijven toch (heimelijk) nog gegeven te worden (terwijl men daar juist van af wil)...
inflatie half erkennen
Evgeny Artemov (X)
South Africa
Yeah, Mike,
10:05 Sep 24, 2015
and, again, how does "half" go with "beneath the surface"?
(Not that I am obsessed with the word, but it does mean something, doesn't it? Would the Dutch here please confirm it may mean "to a certain degree/extent, but not entirely" here? Half begravene half dood is oke, but what about "half woekeren"?
I agree with this on GB. Only thing is, it didn't happen so in the former socialist world. For one, the services sectors were a lot less prominent there and then.
I think the meaning is related to something like this:
‘Whilst consumer inflation has fallen it is a complex picture and the headlines of zero inflation are misleading. Actually the oil price fall combined with falls in the price of other commodities has given us disinflation in the price of goods which is very welcome to many. If we look beneath the surface we see that services inflation carries on in its own not very merry way.’ (https://goo.gl/arinHz ) --- ‘Inflation and the CPI
The British economy, we are told, is on the mend. After years of stagnation, […]
Yet scratch a little beneath the surface, and it is clear that this cheery picture does not match experience for many of us. A return to economic growth has not, yet, turned into a widespread feeling of prosperity.’ (http://www.realbritainindex.org/report/inflation-and-the-cpi ) --- “There are a lot of rumbling numbers beneath the surface,” he said by phone. “The concern I have is what happens if gasoline prices come back, and they’re starting to come back, and you could have a little burst of inflation.” (http://goo.gl/AcpZRz )
I can't really agree with Evgeny's remark that inflation was "very much felt throught the socialist world" during the times of Perestroika as it wasn't that bad in Hungary and around as he mentioned (though he rightly left). We had around 40% annual infl. at worst. My other feeling is that the text isn't quite right. The state was trying to follow inflation 'on the streets' by adjusting still-state-controlled prices like in public transport or prices of basic commodities. The higher rate in Russia/Ukraine must have resulted from shortage of goods that inflated the real prices of goods for those who couldn't directly get to them. The state found it hard to control this kind of inflation as it happened after goods were sold in the half-empty shops often to speculators and then re-sold at such highly inflated prices to masses. So it was a warped economy compared to what the West knows to be economics. But it was far less serious West of Russia/Ukraine/Moldova, as there was less shortage of goods in Middle-Eur. I'd call this not-so-correct "half ondergronds ... inflatie" 'street-level inflation' for want of anything similar in English. But of course I could still be wrong.
wouldn't necessarily be translated as half in any case.
Evgeny Artemov (X)
South Africa
Inflation wasn't subterranean
08:57 Sep 24, 2015
and cannot be "half subterranean", fuguurlijk of letterlijk. It was very much felt throught the socialist world at the time. My last experience with it was collecting my freelance fee (owed for 3 months), bringing a duffel bag with me. It weighed around 10 kG. One tightly-bound bundle contained 1000 one-ruble notes. I paid my airfare to Johannesburg with it, still unbundled and still bearing bank seals.
wish to ridicule this answer as well: There is a suspicion, that we are talking about deferred / latent (hidden) inflation, but in the case of dannos qualified - half (\ "half \"). The fact is that along with the hidden inflation in the USSR at that time (early 90s), there was an open and Private - a result of the fact that prices were kept at level 1 (and still growing deficit), and the open - as a result of that \ 'cooperatives \ "and other tools in droves to cash non-cash items - up to the complete lack of banknotes. That's where half. IMHO, of course.
Integration of Eastern Europe into the World Trading ... - jstor www.jstor.org/stable/2006849JSTOR by HB Junz - 1991 - Cited by 22 - Related articles remained essentially different economic sys- ... sources from supplying command-economy markets to satisfying ... eliminate, the subterranean inflation and.
Real Deflation - Donald Luskin www.trendmacro.com/luskin/pdf/20100223TrendMacroLuskinRK.pd... Feb 23, 2010 - ... must be incorrect. One widely-followed economics .... think of this subterranean inflation as an ever-growing pressure, putting more and more ...
tenzij iemand uitlegt: 'met ondergrondse inflatie bedoelen we.....'. Als je zoekt op "underground inflation" (context: economy, politics; niet het ondergronds vullen van blaas met lucht oid), kom je verschillende contexten tegen waarin het wordt gebruikt. Het lijkt erop dat het in het algemeen betekent dat zelfs bij het bevriezen van prijzen, de inflatie (ondergronds) gewoon doorgaat.
Kostprijsberekening zoals die nu op het programma van de perestroika staat, zal tot tot prijsverhogingen leiden. De invloed van een labyrint van subsidies moet worden teruggedrongen. Intussen woekert half ondergronds de inflatie. Naarmate het isolement van het socialistische blok verder wordt opgeheven, zal de inflatie sterker worden. Socialistische economen hebben met dat vraagstuk weinig ervaring. Tot voor een paar jaar 'bestond' dat verschijnsel daar niet.
translate what they are saying without seeing the actual article. There are many possibilities. You'll have to decide. Have you looked up what 'woekeren' and 'ondergronds' mean in English or Ukrainian/Russia? That's where you have to start.
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2 hrs confidence:
woekert half ondergronds de inflatie
inflation carries on right below the surface
Explanation: (or something along those lines)
See my discussion entries.
-------------------------------------------------- Note added at 2 hrs (2015-09-24 09:48:56 GMT) --------------------------------------------------
‘half ondergronds woekeren’:
I think the meaning is related to something like this:
‘Whilst consumer inflation has fallen it is a complex picture and the headlines of zero inflation are misleading. Actually the oil price fall combined with falls in the price of other commodities has given us disinflation in the price of goods which is very welcome to many. If we look beneath the surface we see that services inflation carries on in its own not very merry way.’ (https://goo.gl/arinHz ) --- ‘Inflation and the CPI
The British economy, we are told, is on the mend. After years of stagnation, […]
Yet scratch a little beneath the surface, and it is clear that this cheery picture does not match experience for many of us. A return to economic growth has not, yet, turned into a widespread feeling of prosperity.’ (http://www.realbritainindex.org/report/inflation-and-the-cpi ) --- “There are a lot of rumbling numbers beneath the surface,” he said by phone. “The concern I have is what happens if gasoline prices come back, and they’re starting to come back, and you could have a little burst of inflation.” (http://goo.gl/AcpZRz )
-------------------------------------------------- Note added at 2 hrs (2015-09-24 09:49:51 GMT) --------------------------------------------------
‘woekeren’:
Van Dale NL/EN:
voortdurend groeien ten koste van iets anders
onkruid: be / grow rank kwaadaardig ook: be / grow rampant, be / grow rife (biologie) proliferate
context: een woekerend gezwel = a festering / gangrenous / cancerous growth woekerend onkruid = rank weeds, rampant growth of weeds
Michael Beijer United Kingdom Local time: 02:57 Works in field Native speaker of: English PRO pts in category: 20
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Ja, dat vind ik goede (en ook juiste) interpretatie, hartstikke bedankt!
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