directielevering

English translation: supplied by Construction Management

14:07 Nov 12, 2016

Dutch to English translations [PRO]
Bus/Financial - Business/Commerce (general) / tender for large firefighting vehicle

Dutch term or phrase: directielevering

I know what it means (I think), just can't think of an English equivalent.

See e.g.:

"Een directielevering is een levering door en voor kosten van de opdrachtgever. Dat wil zeggen zonder hiervoor een bedrag te rekenen aan de aannemer. De aannemer dient in dat geval alleen de kosten voor het verwerken op te geven. De directielevering dient voorafgaand aan de prijsopgave van de aannemer bekend te zijn c.q. vermeld te worden in het bestek." (http://bouwprofsnederland.nl/forum/topics/jaagt-de-gemeente-... )

my context (Dutch tender docs re a firefighting vehicle):

"De Cabine dient te beschikken over een vaste plek en een 24 V aansluiting voor opladers voor 4 zaklantaarns en 4 portofoons (directielevering)."

I also found this: http://www.proz.com/kudoz/dutch_to_german/bus_financial/5795... (but I don't think they understood it quite right. am not 100% sure though as my German is terrible)

Michael Beijer KudoZ activity Questions: 520 (9 open) (2 without valid answers) (97 closed without grading) Answers: 1130 United Kingdom
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English translation:supplied by Construction Management

Explanation:
or whatever you are calling your 'directie'
seems eminently understandable.

Selected response from:

Richard Purdom
Portugal
Local time: 03:22

Grading comment

Thanks! Seems fine. I ended up using "client-supplied materials"
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Summary of answers provided

management delivery

Alexander Schleber (X)

supplied by Construction Management

Richard Purdom

supply management

Verginia Ophof

Summary of reference entries provided

fwiw

writeaway

Discussion entries: 12

Richard Purdom

Portugal

13:34 Nov 15, 2016

well Occam's razor MB.... so the second and most likely explanation I'm afraid

Michael Beijer

United Kingdom

ASKER

it's funny that: I often come across terms ...

13:16 Nov 15, 2016

I was just discussing here on the site in my own work. Either there are mysterious forces at work, or … we all translate a lot of the same garbage.

Richard Purdom

Portugal

12:38 Nov 15, 2016

So, just come across this in my work today:

'De xxxx is een directie levering'

I'm just going to use
'The xxxx is supplied by Construction Management'

Michael Beijer

United Kingdom

ASKER

excellent, thanks Klaus!

00:40 Nov 14, 2016

I now understand your glossary entry, plus how to translate this concept from Dutch into English.

Klaus Lauble

Germany

23:23 Nov 13, 2016

Michael,

Yes, "bauseitig" means provided (and paid for) by the client, i.e. the party that commisisoned the construction work (since construction is the field to which this term belongs). In my humble opinion, "client-supplied materials" is a valid English translation.

Michael Beijer

United Kingdom

ASKER

@Klaus:

20:05 Nov 13, 2016

After a bit more googling, I now understand the term "bauseitig" a bit more, and am starting to understand your glossary entry. So "bauseitig" means sth like "supplied by the client, and/or a third party", correct?

Michael Beijer

United Kingdom

ASKER

@Bryan:

19:47 Nov 13, 2016

I like "client-supplied materials"…

I don't think there is any need to spell out that the client has also paid for them (as in, sth like, "supplied and paid for by the client").

Michael Beijer

United Kingdom

ASKER

hmm, just found this in IATE:

19:46 Nov 13, 2016

"de: bauseitige Lieferung
en: free-issue delivery
nl: directie-levering"

(http://iate.europa.eu/SearchByQuery.do?method=searchDetail&l... )

Michael Beijer

United Kingdom

ASKER

@Klaus:

19:39 Nov 13, 2016

No special talent, but I speak enough to wonder whether "bauseitige Lieferung(en)" captures the meaning of the Dutch concept "directielevering". Perhaps one of the regulars in this language pair, who also speaks German, would care to comment? writeaway? Phil? freek? Can't remember who else.

While googling "directielevering", I chanced upon the NL>DE Proz question (http://www.proz.com/kudoz/dutch_to_german/bus_financial/5795... ). That's how I ended up there. Just trying to make sense of the concept for myself, not trying to prove anything to my esteemed German colleagues.

Also, since you do German > English, how would you translate "bauseitige Lieferung(en)" into English?

Klaus Lauble

Germany

13:32 Nov 13, 2016

Michael, if you don't speak German, it is really an amazing achievement that you can judge if a technical term in German has oder has not been understood quite right... You must have some very special talent that I haven't...

Bryan Crumpler

United States

client-supplied materials exist

13:02 Nov 13, 2016

Such as things they already have procured or want integrated, but they want you to put them in as the technician or what have you.

If they're building firetrucks, I'd probably call them long-lead materials (or long-lead items), contract supplies, or pre-existing materials that they don't have to manufacture on their own, yet have acquired ahead of time to be integrated.

Otherwise: in keeping with the wording maybe "direct deliverables", "client-side deliverables", "direct supplies", "direct materials", or "raw materials"

Michael Beijer

United Kingdom

ASKER

I wonder, does such a thing exist as:

15:22 Nov 12, 2016

"client supplies"?

Answers

51 mins confidence:

management delivery

Explanation:
The simplest and direct translation at first seems doubtful.
But the explation given for the term makes it clear what is meant. Examples of this use can be found on US and UK Google.

"A management delivery is a delivery by and for the account (costs) of the ordering party."

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Note added at 2 hrs (2016-11-12 16:14:46 GMT)
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I have also been looking further. The advantage of the original formulation is that a clear definition is offered and the term can be used thereafter.

A new thought though is to use "third-party delivery". If the customer has to supply and pay for the added items (telephones etc.) then there must be a third party that makes the delivery.

Regarding US/UK Google enrties --> that's also difficult. The term garners hundreds of listings, most of which however use the term in other sense.

Alexander Schleber (X)
Belgium
Local time: 04:22
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

German,

English
PRO pts in category: 58

Notes to answerer

Asker: You wouldn't happen to have a few examples of such UK/US refs, would you? I'm currently just translating it by describing it ("goods supplied and paid for by the Client").

Asker: make that: "goods / materials / work to be supplied and/or carried out and paid for by the client"

Asker: in my own context, these "directieleveringen" clearly relate to materials/equipment, so my last attempt at a descriptive translation refers to the more general concept, which may also include any work the client has performed / pays for

9 hrs confidence:

supply management

Explanation:
The process of obtaining and managing of products or services needed to operate a business or other type of organization. Elements of supply management include the actual products, information, budgets, and employees. The purpose of supply management procedures is to keep costs stable and use resources effectively to increase the profits and efficiency of the business or organization.

Read more: http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/supply-manageme...

Example sentence(s):

supply management

Reference: http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/supply-manageme...

Verginia Ophof
Belize
Local time: 20:22
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 25

Notes to answerer

Asker: Thanks Verginia, but I'm not sure how this fits in with what has been said so far about the concept.

2 days 22 hrs confidence:

supplied by Construction Management

Explanation:
or whatever you are calling your 'directie'
seems eminently understandable.

Richard Purdom
Portugal
Local time: 03:22
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 12

Grading comment

Thanks! Seems fine. I ended up using "client-supplied materials"

Reference comments

4 hrs

Reference: fwiw

Reference information:
Directielevering

Wanneer de uitbestedende partij de te gebruiken goederen voor productie levert. De opdrachtnemer produceert dus enkel maar regelt niet zelf de benodigde materialen.
http://www.europeseaanbestedingen.eu/europeseaanbestedingen/...

writeaway
Works in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 60

Note to reference poster

Asker: yeah, thanks, I stumbled across that one too. still wondering what to do with it though. I don't think there is a single equivalent English concept/term

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