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Yaotl Altan 
Mexico
Local time: 22:48
Member (2006)
English to Spanish
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Perhaps this has been proposed before but I have not noticed it.
Everyday we receive job proposals from potential clients via Proz and we can fill the respective. In a 10 minutes, we'll see that several translators have applied, but we don't know their rates.
I think it would be a great idea if (BEFORE WE SEND OUR BUDGET) all the rates are averaged so the system can display a special field indicating the lowest rate, the highest one, and the average.
Kind ... See more Perhaps this has been proposed before but I have not noticed it.
Everyday we receive job proposals from potential clients via Proz and we can fill the respective. In a 10 minutes, we'll see that several translators have applied, but we don't know their rates.
I think it would be a great idea if (BEFORE WE SEND OUR BUDGET) all the rates are averaged so the system can display a special field indicating the lowest rate, the highest one, and the average.
Kind regards! ▲ Collapse
| | | | Gerard de Noord
France
Local time: 06:48
Member (2003)
English to Dutch
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| Sounds great, would be stupid | Feb 13, 2013 |
Yaotl Altan wrote:
Perhaps this has been proposed before but I have not noticed it.
Everyday we receive job proposals from potential clients via Proz and we can fill the respective. In a 10 minutes, we'll see that several translators have applied, but we don't know their rates.
I think it would be a great idea if (BEFORE WE SEND OUR BUDGET) all the rates are averaged so the system can display a special field indicating the lowest rate, the highest one, and the average.
Kind regards!
That would mean that any punter using using this website would find out our lowest rates, our highest rates and our average rates. I don't know of any other trade where suppliers are that stupid. Our only way to counteract the trend to commodify our services is to stay unclear about pricing in public venues. Anything that can be harvested by robots or cheap humans will be harvested.
Cheers,
Gerard
| | | | Yaotl Altan
Mexico
Local time: 22:48
Member (2006)
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As a matter of fact, the idea is to pull rates up, Gerard.
| | | | Samuel Murray
Netherlands
Local time: 06:48
Member (2006)
English to Afrikaans
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Yaotl Altan wrote: Gerard de Noord wrote: Yaotl Altan wrote:
I think it would be a great idea if (BEFORE WE SEND OUR BUDGET) all the rates are averaged so the system can display a special field indicating the lowest rate, the highest one, and the average. That would mean that any punter using using this website would find out our lowest rates, our highest rates and our average rates. As a matter of fact, the idea is to pull rates up, Gerard.
I don't follow Gerard's line of thinking -- any punter using this site can currently find out our lowest and our usual rates anyway. But the information that is currently available is the average of that which was stated by translators as a hypothetical. Those rates don't relate to an actual quote.
I agree with Yaotl in that I also think that this will pull rates upwards, not downwards. However, the downside is that slow responders will have a better chance at getting the job than quick responders.
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Yaotl Altan
Mexico
Local time: 22:48
Member (2006)
English to Spanish
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TOPIC STARTER
Samuel Murray wrote: Yaotl Altan wrote: Gerard de Noord wrote: Yaotl Altan wrote:
I think it would be a great idea if (BEFORE WE SEND OUR BUDGET) all the rates are averaged so the system can display a special field indicating the lowest rate, the highest one, and the average. That would mean that any punter using using this website would find out our lowest rates, our highest rates and our average rates. As a matter of fact, the idea is to pull rates up, Gerard. I don't follow Gerard's line of thinking -- any punter using this site can currently find out our lowest and our usual rates anyway. But the information that is currently available is the average of that which was stated by translators as a hypothetical. Those rates don't relate to an actual quote. I agree with Yaotl in that I also think that this will pull rates upwards, not downwards. However, the downside is that slow responders will have a better chance at getting the job than quick responders.
Yes, Samuel, but not always if clients look at our WWA.
Kind regards!
| | | | Jeff Whittaker
United States
Local time: 00:48
Member (2002)
Spanish to English
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| Not a good idea | Feb 13, 2013 |
When ProZ first began, you could see the rates and quotes of all applicants. Someone bid .14, then someone bid 13.5 cents, then someone bid .10... etc.
It was then decided to make all bids private.
Your rate should be based on the value of the service you provide and not what on others charge. I would not adjust the rate because others charge less. There will always be someone charging .05. How low are you prepared to go?
I do not care if the entire world... See more When ProZ first began, you could see the rates and quotes of all applicants. Someone bid .14, then someone bid 13.5 cents, then someone bid .10... etc.
It was then decided to make all bids private.
Your rate should be based on the value of the service you provide and not what on others charge. I would not adjust the rate because others charge less. There will always be someone charging .05. How low are you prepared to go?
I do not care if the entire world lowered their rate to .08, I would choose to do something else instead.
By the way, AWESOME profile page Yaotl !
Yaotl Altan wrote:
Perhaps this has been proposed before but I have not noticed it.
Everyday we receive job proposals from potential clients via Proz and we can fill the respective. In a 10 minutes, we'll see that several translators have applied, but we don't know their rates.
I think it would be a great idea if (BEFORE WE SEND OUR BUDGET) all the rates are averaged so the system can display a special field indicating the lowest rate, the highest one, and the average.
Kind regards!
[Edited at 2013-02-13 20:34 GMT] ▲ Collapse
| | | | | Post removed: This post was hidden by a moderator or staff member because it was not in line with site rule | Yaotl Altan
Mexico
Local time: 22:48
Member (2006)
English to Spanish
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TOPIC STARTER
Jeff Whittaker wrote:
When ProZ first began, you could see the rates and quotes of all applicants. Someone bid .14, then someone bid 13.5 cents, then someone bid .10... etc.
It was then decided to make all bids private.
Hi, Jeff. Thanx for sharing. Before 2005? Wit that old system, everybody could see the translator's name or was it anonymous?
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By the way, AWESOME profile page Yaotl !
Thanks.
Unfortunately, when my server crashes, it's awful because it doesn't display the images. Perhaps, I have to store them in Proz.com.
Have a nice day.
Yaotl Altan wrote:
Perhaps this has been proposed before but I have not noticed it.
Everyday we receive job proposals from potential clients via Proz and we can fill the respective. In a 10 minutes, we'll see that several translators have applied, but we don't know their rates.
I think it would be a great idea if (BEFORE WE SEND OUR BUDGET) all the rates are averaged so the system can display a special field indicating the lowest rate, the highest one, and the average.
Kind regards!
[Edited at 2013-02-13 20:34 GMT] [/quote]
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Jeff Whittaker
United States
Local time: 00:48
Member (2002)
Spanish to English
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| An end to public bidding | Feb 13, 2013 |
| | | | | Completely agree | Feb 14, 2013 |
Jeff Whittaker wrote:
Your rate should be based on the value of the service you provide and not what on others charge.
Absolutely! Seeing what others charge would drag us into the downward spiral again.
| | | | Yaotl Altan
Mexico
Local time: 22:48
Member (2006)
English to Spanish
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TOPIC STARTER
If you think you are not the right guy for X job, certainly, you won't get it. How many times have we heard that before? It's not feasible, bad idea, etc. Unions are a reality today, even if some centuries ago people used to think "What for? Are they useful?"
There will always be low rates, but what will clients do? Will they choose the cheapest translator just to save money? Come on! They are not so naïve. We'll see him again in Proz later, trying to hire a good translator with hi... See more If you think you are not the right guy for X job, certainly, you won't get it. How many times have we heard that before? It's not feasible, bad idea, etc. Unions are a reality today, even if some centuries ago people used to think "What for? Are they useful?"
There will always be low rates, but what will clients do? Will they choose the cheapest translator just to save money? Come on! They are not so naïve. We'll see him again in Proz later, trying to hire a good translator with higher rates. If clients really want to maximize savings, well, there's Google Translate...and still, Proz exists. ▲ Collapse
| | | | | Awesome indeed! | Feb 14, 2013 |
Jeff Whittaker wrote:
By the way, AWESOME profile page Yaotl !
Agreed! This is when I miss Facebook's "Like" button ...
Regards to all, Kathinka
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